As indicated in our initial dialogue with regard to the CWSA rule development process and the CWSA recommended scoring criteria and competition guidelines, “The Board of the CWSA recognizes that these recommended criteria and guidelines are "living documents" that need revision and update as our sport continues to evolve.” In recognition of this need for continual evolution we have reviewed the CWSA recommended scoring criteria and competition guidelines as they were implemented in the 2012 World Series of Wake Surfing and the CWSA Board has developed and approved new scoring criteria for 2013.
Based upon a unanimous vote of the Board Members of the CWSA we are providing the scoring sytem in the attachment below that is being recommended for the 2013 Competitive Wake Surfing Season. All interested competitors and wake surfing enthusiast are encouraged to comment on the recommended system. The CWSA intends to take comment on this system until March 1, 2013 and then adopt the final 2013 scoring criteria. After formal adoption of the final 2013 scoring criteria all competition stops in the 2013 World Series of Wake Surfing will utilize the adopted system and changes will only be made if the Board determines that the system has a very significant issue impacting competitive rankings and placement.
We look forward to an exciting 2013 competitive wake surfing season.
|Draft 2013 CWSA Subjective Scoresheet.pdf||117.54 KB|
|2013 CWSA Guidelines for Competition and Judging Draft 02-01-13.pdf||86.48 KB|
I think the new scoring system is great for the future of the sport. It was obvious the system last year did not progress the sport. With some riders spending way to much attention to the score sheet.
I hope riders will be going bigger off the wake, awesome grabs with their tricks. Style should be a big factor rather than checking off a trick that was barely landed.
Thanks to the board for seeing issues last year and responding.
I really like this scoring system. The judging criteria covers all the bases, and should ensure that the podium is always as accurate as possible.
I like this new system. I feel like sooner or later it was going to get to this point just glad it was sooner. I like the way the judging sheet is broke down into 4 sections. This will help the judges keep scores in the right place and watch for all the key factors in a winning run. I also feel like getting rid of the objective scores per trick will allow us Pro Riders to go out and ride like Pro riders. Instead of riding to a score sheet and doing a bunch of tricks just to rack up points without doing them clean or off the water. I think this will help bring a crowd to events also. I always said I would rather watch pros go out and do the tricks that make them pros. Big tricks, In the air, and done with style while being smooth. As oppose to watching pro riders go out and do tricks we usually wouldnt do or do shuvs and little tricks barely out of the water because there is a point value to these little tricks. This is just my 2 censt but I feel for the future of the sport this change is great. So all you Pro Riders who are reading this lets go out and make a show at every event with the tricks, amplitude and style that sets us apart from the upcoming amatuer riders.
Hope everyone has a GREAT summer this year!
The new subjective scoring system is going to help the sport progress. This new system allows the judges to score the rider subjectively and breaks all ties with points per trick. I also like how the new system allows the judges to score the subjective categories independently and it is not based upon a single overall one to ten scale. As with any subjective system, the judges will have to be educated and knowledgable as to what makes a good contest run. There should be much time designated to training judges to fully understand the complexity of a single run. Often times it seems that volunteer judges lack the knowledge and understanding of what a good contest run is. I hope that this board takes this into consideration and takes the allotted time to adequately train all contest judges. This decision will have a positive impact on the sport and will result with the better ridiers taking the podium.
This is a big step in the wrong direction. It is not going to be good for the sport and will not push riders to work hard to learn all those tricks. To just surf with style and power will rule over tricks and this is sad to see. You can't compare wakesurfing to ocean surfing. In the ocean competitors have to make the most of each wave they have picked and use the different sections. In wakesurfing the wave is the same for the whole run it doesn't change. Bottom, turn, snaps, cutbacks : boring in wakesurfing. I don't see many reverses, airs, 360s 720s etc in ocean competition surfing, only in freesurfing. You want wakesurfing to go into that direction have the rider that does the hardest snaps and most aggresive riding win ? I like to see the trick side of the sport, there is so much you can do, sad if tricks don't count anymore.
I think to have subjectives in the objective points is the only way to fair judging e.g. air 10-12 points, reverse 14-18 points etc. and no more subjective points other than that. Then you would have a very fair judging system that is going to push riders to do all those tricks this sport is all about and makes wakesurfing so much fun.
I was surprised to see the proposed scoring switch to all subjective, but not shocked. Obviously someone with a huge arsenal of tricks will surf more impressively than someone without. Ocean surfing has been scored subjectively for as long as I know. I am still wrapping my head around this.
I liked Keenan's response and will take it another step. Judges use the criteria to establish a baseline on each competitor and when all riders in that division have run, place them in ranking order. (1, 2, 3. ETC.) The judges turn in the ranking and the totals are added up.The competitor with the lowest number is first and so on. Multi-day scoring works by assigning a value to the first day such as 100 for first 90 for second etc. Ties in the multi-day scoring are broken by the score of the rider who performs best on the final day, the finals. This is much like the Tige My wake finals scoring.
Scoring should be delivered to shore and immediately tabulated and posted after each division is complete.
I think you all just took a huge step in the wrong direction. Without objective scoring it will make it much more difficult for judges to keep up with each idividual rider fairly and effectively. Last years system might have had a few tiks, but it was definately a better system. I think with the 2012 objective system and the 1013 subjective system used together all would be fine. Be prepared for chaos after podium announcements!
I think it was inevitable for the subjective to take over. The obvious concern with a fully subjective judging system is not having judges that are seasoned enough to know what they are looking at and how to interpret it. In my opnion we are getting close to having that. What I like about the suggested system is that it gives the judges a fairly detailed criteria base to work off of (the categories). I think it would be much easier for the judges to do away with the 10 points per category system and just give an overall impresion score from 1-10 or from 1-100 for each pass (2 passes per run adding up to a total possible score of 20 or 200). The categories and descriptions listed on this document would be very helpfull as a criteria, but I think it is to much for a judge to think about and to remember. If all of the criteria is taken into consideration, it would be more acurate for a judge to give a simple overall impresion score on half of a run than it would be to try to give scores for 4 differnet categories after 2 full passes. I know from personal experience that what ends up happening with the category system is, judges are unsure of what to put for a certain category and just copy the person next to them, or just pick an overall impression score and write in something similar to that for all of the categories. Giving an overall impression score for each of the rider's two passes utalizing a specific set of criteria would simplyfy things for the judges as well as make the scores easier for the riders to understand and notably more acurate.
To all who are reading this, we all wakesurf for fun and I doubt any of these minute details in the judging system are going to change your competition results. If by some chance it does, I doubt your life will be significanly impacted.
I believe removing objective scoring from the judging criteria is 100% a step in the wrong direction. I believe it will make scoring the riders appropriately way to difficult and will cause more issues with contestants in the long run. I do agree with the layout and scoring of the subjective card. I like the point spread with a max of 10 in each category. Outside of that I think you should be prepared for more chaos.
My two cents thanks
The new scoring criteria listed is completely subjective? Is that true or will the objective portion remain the same and this is a change to the subjective only part?
Yes, the 2013 system is 100% subjective.